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	<title>Comments on: My reply to a supporter of hindutva</title>
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		<title>By: Alexander Gounder</title>
		<link>http://www.gounder.co.in/blog/20081010/my-reply-to-a-supporter-of-hindutva/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Gounder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sudarshan,

Nice to meet you... thank you for coming... what else can I say that won&#039;t take us in circles... We both understand where each other is coming from... but neither wanna go that way.

So the only thing we can do is agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sudarshan,</p>
<p>Nice to meet you&#8230; thank you for coming&#8230; what else can I say that won&#8217;t take us in circles&#8230; We both understand where each other is coming from&#8230; but neither wanna go that way.</p>
<p>So the only thing we can do is agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Sudarshan</title>
		<link>http://www.gounder.co.in/blog/20081010/my-reply-to-a-supporter-of-hindutva/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Sudarshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not get offended by churlishness either Alex. Thanks for trying to keep this out of his blogpost.

You must be joking when you say I recognise you to be a genius. You aren&#039;t; neither are people that think our history is as accurate as we could portray it to be.

I will not try to prove my experience to you; it&#039;s factual as it&#039;s as true as I know it to be. Your disbelief does not change my experience. Alex, you have to know this - I studied in a christian school and am quite aware of practices. Simple. I hope you can acknowledge that to be a reasonable illustration of my (deemed by you) &quot;superior knowledge&quot; as opposed by you.

The points made were never to demonstrate superior knowledge; they were made to demonstrate experience and awareness. You have got it blank on all grounds there. I&#039;m sure it doesn&#039;t matter to you. It does not matter to me either.

Another point - I have been a part of the RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal workshops. I&#039;d want you to participate in those workshops and tell me what you learnt in those workshops. If you think that qualifies me to be an extremist, I couldn&#039;t care lesser. Factually, I am not; but I am proud of my practices just as you are.

Foreign affairs eh? Ever heard of Chanakya? Or for that matter of the Trojan issues? They&#039;re older than your and my knowledge and that of this entire population in terms of &quot;foreign affairs&quot; and sound knowledge of &quot;economics&quot;. On the other hand, I acknowledge what you state that we need more than references to scriptures for the modern day world. Yet, I can claim that the epics we have, if studied well, have fantastic material for the modern economy.

We aren&#039;t religious experts and I agree and will desist from trying to explain my knowledge for we may not be on the same page of understanding.

Worldwide, it takes more than declaration that a country is secular to be able to demonstrate equal rights for all its citizens. India has killed merit in all its forms thanks to Gandhi and Nehru once more. The caste system you are referring to exist today and will continue to exist. These systems were formed for a different reason as you correctly point out and have been ceaselessly exploited over many many centuries now. Do we have the answer between us?

Ambedkar would have been extraordinarily sorry to see the pathetic practice of today. He studied and wrote a fantastic constitution for us (which definitely needs a major overhaul). If, between us, we are to believe that the practice to correct the mistakes of yesteryears is right, we probably have to question if we have the right remedial measures in place.

I&#039;m glad you shared the instance of conversion not being forced. It has never been a point to say all try to enforce conversions.

Your accusation on the Bajarang Dal is laughable. I will not bite the bait to post a riposte.

Aryans preach supremacy - sure. They did not introduce / impose a caste system. Are we trying to discuss the same issue here?

Satyagraha is such a super childish version of non-compliance. Analyse a child. It&#039;s frequent statements of not eating if a toy is not bought, of not sleeping if not told a story etc is such a terrible advertisement for the maturity that adults are supposed to display. NBA (Medha Patkar) is plagued by the Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi&#039;s follies. India is held hostage with a host of politicians and common citizens resorting to fast-unto-death threats as advocated by a short-sighted man. Satyagraha showcases India&#039;s espousal of peace? Man, get something going there! Peace isn&#039;t about non-compliance. It isn&#039;t achieved through non-compliance either.

I wish the VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal had been as capable as the LeT, IM, SIMI. We would not have been discussing this today.

Do you want to teach me economic theory on the terrible impacts and the retrogade push on India with the credit squeeze and our &quot;wonderful mixed economic system&quot;?

I will support the push for India to be a Hindu Rashtra; only your definition and fear of such a thing is far from my perspective on what we want to accomplish with such a step.

Long, long response too. Good discussing with you Alex. We will never be on the same page.

I reiterate - I just wish the VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal were as capable. Would you wish so too?

You&#039;re opinionated and very individual in your views. So am I :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not get offended by churlishness either Alex. Thanks for trying to keep this out of his blogpost.</p>
<p>You must be joking when you say I recognise you to be a genius. You aren&#8217;t; neither are people that think our history is as accurate as we could portray it to be.</p>
<p>I will not try to prove my experience to you; it&#8217;s factual as it&#8217;s as true as I know it to be. Your disbelief does not change my experience. Alex, you have to know this &#8211; I studied in a christian school and am quite aware of practices. Simple. I hope you can acknowledge that to be a reasonable illustration of my (deemed by you) &#8220;superior knowledge&#8221; as opposed by you.</p>
<p>The points made were never to demonstrate superior knowledge; they were made to demonstrate experience and awareness. You have got it blank on all grounds there. I&#8217;m sure it doesn&#8217;t matter to you. It does not matter to me either.</p>
<p>Another point &#8211; I have been a part of the RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal workshops. I&#8217;d want you to participate in those workshops and tell me what you learnt in those workshops. If you think that qualifies me to be an extremist, I couldn&#8217;t care lesser. Factually, I am not; but I am proud of my practices just as you are.</p>
<p>Foreign affairs eh? Ever heard of Chanakya? Or for that matter of the Trojan issues? They&#8217;re older than your and my knowledge and that of this entire population in terms of &#8220;foreign affairs&#8221; and sound knowledge of &#8220;economics&#8221;. On the other hand, I acknowledge what you state that we need more than references to scriptures for the modern day world. Yet, I can claim that the epics we have, if studied well, have fantastic material for the modern economy.</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t religious experts and I agree and will desist from trying to explain my knowledge for we may not be on the same page of understanding.</p>
<p>Worldwide, it takes more than declaration that a country is secular to be able to demonstrate equal rights for all its citizens. India has killed merit in all its forms thanks to Gandhi and Nehru once more. The caste system you are referring to exist today and will continue to exist. These systems were formed for a different reason as you correctly point out and have been ceaselessly exploited over many many centuries now. Do we have the answer between us?</p>
<p>Ambedkar would have been extraordinarily sorry to see the pathetic practice of today. He studied and wrote a fantastic constitution for us (which definitely needs a major overhaul). If, between us, we are to believe that the practice to correct the mistakes of yesteryears is right, we probably have to question if we have the right remedial measures in place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you shared the instance of conversion not being forced. It has never been a point to say all try to enforce conversions.</p>
<p>Your accusation on the Bajarang Dal is laughable. I will not bite the bait to post a riposte.</p>
<p>Aryans preach supremacy &#8211; sure. They did not introduce / impose a caste system. Are we trying to discuss the same issue here?</p>
<p>Satyagraha is such a super childish version of non-compliance. Analyse a child. It&#8217;s frequent statements of not eating if a toy is not bought, of not sleeping if not told a story etc is such a terrible advertisement for the maturity that adults are supposed to display. NBA (Medha Patkar) is plagued by the Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi&#8217;s follies. India is held hostage with a host of politicians and common citizens resorting to fast-unto-death threats as advocated by a short-sighted man. Satyagraha showcases India&#8217;s espousal of peace? Man, get something going there! Peace isn&#8217;t about non-compliance. It isn&#8217;t achieved through non-compliance either.</p>
<p>I wish the VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal had been as capable as the LeT, IM, SIMI. We would not have been discussing this today.</p>
<p>Do you want to teach me economic theory on the terrible impacts and the retrogade push on India with the credit squeeze and our &#8220;wonderful mixed economic system&#8221;?</p>
<p>I will support the push for India to be a Hindu Rashtra; only your definition and fear of such a thing is far from my perspective on what we want to accomplish with such a step.</p>
<p>Long, long response too. Good discussing with you Alex. We will never be on the same page.</p>
<p>I reiterate &#8211; I just wish the VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal were as capable. Would you wish so too?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re opinionated and very individual in your views. So am I :-)</p>
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